Group for Cutchogue

Water

ACCORDING TO THE

SUFFOLK COUNTY WATER AUTHORITY

(It is sad that a Public Authority can parade such propaganda as the following as fact.
are the Orwellian prophesies finally coming true 24 years after 1984?)

The following sections were copied from www.scwa.com*•* For the position of NYS DEC click here

Facts on the Lloyd Aquifer

The Facts, Not Hype, On SCWA's Application For a Low-Volume Well In East Northport

The Suffolk County Water Authority is seeking permission from the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation to put a low volume well into the Lloyd Aquifer in East Northport. The water from the Lloyd Aquifer will be used to blend with water from the Magothy Aquifer to reduce the level of nitrates in the drinking water. Blending has been recognized as an acceptable and affordable way to meet health standards and protect our customers.

Opponents of this well application, principally in Nassau County, claim that our well will adversely affect the Lloyd Aquifer. This is simply not true. They have suggested that the SCWA should build transmission mains and bring water to the area or that we should build a nitrate removal plant. Both of these alternatives will have significant financial and environmental impact to the Northport / East Northport area

By clicking on the links below, you can learn the facts relating to our application.

Check out the facts on our well application

FACT SHEET
SUFFOLK COUNTY WATER AUTHORITY
MIDDLEVILLE ROAD WELL

SCWA has applied for an exemption under the existing Lloyd Aquifer statute for a well at Middleville Road in East Northport.

Approval of this proposed well has been recommended by DEC staff at both the regional and Albany levels.

SCWA’s proposed Lloyd Aquifer well will have an authorized capacity of only 300 gpm and is anticipated to be used at an average rate of only 100 gpm.

If approved, SCWA’s Lloyd Aquifer well will not set a precedent.

There are currently 41 Lloyd Aquifer wells in Nassau County.

There are currently only 5 Lloyd Aquifer wells in Suffolk County.

There is a hydrogeological divide in the Lloyd Aquifer near the border between Nassau and Suffolk Counties.

The East Northport site is nine miles away from the Nassau/Suffolk border; meaning withdrawals from this well will not have any impact on the Nassau County portion of the aquifer.

The Lloyd water is needed in very small amounts to blend with other water to reduce nitrates in area to a level below the 10 parts per million (ppm) drinking water standard.

The well field that would use this blended water serves 15,000 people.

Blending to reduce nitrate contamination is a practice recommended by Health Department regulators and employed by SCWA and many other water purveyors on Long Island.

SCWA’s proposal is very different from the NYC DEP proposal, which seeks to pump water into the Lloyd Aquifer.

 
See who uses what from the Lloyd Aquifer

Frequently Asked Questions

Factual Information Regarding
the SCWA Application to the NYS DEC
to Permit Use of the Lloyd Aquifer for Blending

  1. Why does SCWA need to apply to NYSDEC for this?
  2. Why does SCWA need the Lloyd water?
  3. But isn’t that just making “dirty” water a bit less dirty?
  4. Why doesn’t SCWA just clean up the nitrates to begin with so they don’t have to remove them at all?
  5. Why doesn’t SCWA filter the water in the area to remove nitrates?
  6. OK, then why not pipe nitrate-free water in from outside the Northport area?
  7. What happens now to the Lloyd water that SCWA wants to use?
  8. How much water does the SCWA plan to pump from the Lloyd Aquifer?
  9. What will the impact be on the aquifer?
  10. Some people, principally in Nassau County, have expressed opposition to the SCWA application. Why?
  11. Will this well have any impact on Nassau County’s water supply?
  12. Well, if there is no real impact, what is the NYS DEC’s position on SCWA’s application?
  13. Doesn’t the SCWA just want to find the cheapest way out of the problem? They have lots of money, why don’t they just spend what’s required to avoid using the Lloyd Aquifer?
  14. So let’s see if I have this straight

Q. Why does SCWA need to apply to NYSDEC for this?

There has been a State moratorium since 1987 on the use of this aquifer and it requires a specific application to waive the moratorium. The SCWA and the VA Hospital in Northport currently have a total of five wells drawing from the Lloyd Aquifer. By contrast, water suppliers in Nassau County have over 40 Lloyd Aquifer wells.

Q. Why does SCWA need the Lloyd water?

The Lloyd water is needed in very small amounts to blend with other water to reduce the nitrates in the drinking water in the Northport / East Northport area to a level below the 10 parts per million (ppm) drinking water standard.

Q. But isn’t that just making “dirty” water a bit less dirty?

Nitrates in drinking water are only potentially harmful to infants before they have fully developed digestive tracts, below six months of age. 10 ppm is a VERY conservative level already (50 ppm is where potential harm can occur to infants). Getting down below the standard by blending is a recommended, reasonable and commonly accepted practice permitted by Health regulators and employed by SCWA and many other water purveyors on Long Island.

Q. Why doesn’t SCWA just clean up the nitrates to begin with so they don’t have to remove them at all?

The nitrates come from resident’s cesspools because there are no sewers in the area. And, prior to that, nitrates came from farm fertilizers. SCWA, as a public-benefit corporation, does not control land use, has no regulatory powers, and cannot plan and or construct sewers. These are tasks for government to consider. We have proactively promoted environmentally friendly lawn care to reduce fertilizer, pesticide and herbicide use through award winning radio, television, print ads, and on our website.

Q. Why doesn’t SCWA filter the water in the area to remove nitrates?

This a very expensive process which SCWA has attempted at a pump station off Larkfield Road in East Northport. It requires a large area for additional buildings, a large capital investment and large ongoing operational costs. For local neighboring residents, it also will mean 7,000-gallon diesel powered tractor-trailer tanker trucks (and the resultant air pollution) coming and going from the area to dispose of the concentrated nitrates that have been removed from the water. The concentrated nitrates will have to be trucked to the Bergen Point Sewer Plant, treated, and then pumped into the ocean.

Q. OK, then why not pipe nitrate-free water in from outside the Northport area?

Technically, this is possible, but additional large diameter pipes would have to be laid at a cost exceeding a half-million dollars per mile. Additional costs for right-of-way, booster pumps to keep the pressure up in the hilly areas, more well capacity outside the area, and unforeseen construction impediments will drive that number up. There will also be the ongoing costs of electricity (and the resultant air pollution created to generate that electricity) to pump the water through the pipeline. In addition, major roads and neighborhood streets would have to opened while construction takes place creating disruptions on major roads and in local neighborhoods.

Q. What happens now to the Lloyd water that SCWA wants to use?

It just flows out into the Long Island Sound and mixes with the salt water there.

Q. How much water does the SCWA plan to pump from the Lloyd Aquifer?

Our application with the DEC is for a 300 gallon per minute well. On average, we will pump about 100 gallons per minute. Our typical Magothy well comparatively, draws about 1,500 gallons per minute.

Q. What will the impact be on the aquifer?

There will be minimal impact at the well head (draw down) but no impact on the Lloyd Aquifer overall. Over 8,000,000 gallons of water enter the Lloyd Aquifer in the Huntington area each day through normal recharge, far more than the 500,000 gallons we plan to withdraw each day. By contrast, Nassau County Lloyd aquifer wells withdraw approximately 12,000,000 gallons of water each day of the 14,000,000-gallon daily recharge.

Q. Some people, principally in Nassau County, have expressed opposition to the SCWA application. Why?

There is a belief that if this application is approved that it will “open the door” to other applications to drill into the Lloyd Aquifer. This is of particular concern for those Nassau County communities that rely solely upon the Lloyd Aquifer for their water because their Magothy Aquifer (the aquifer above the Lloyd) is polluted from over pumping which has resulted in saltwater intrusion. The truth is that each application to drill any well must be reviewed and approved by the DEC on its individual merits. Approval of our permit will not “open the door” as some individuals have suggested.

Q. Will this well have any impact on Nassau County’s water supply?

Absolutely not. Scientific studies done by the United States Geological Survey (USGS) show that there will be no impact on Nassau County’s water supply in any way.

Q. Well, if there is no real impact, what is the NYS DEC’s position on SCWA’s application?

A. They support it! The hearings that are about to take place are required by law, so public comments can be made, not because the DEC thinks our application is a bad idea.

Q. Doesn’t the SCWA just want to find the cheapest way out of the problem? They have lots of money, why don’t they just spend what’s required to avoid using the Lloyd Aquifer?

A. Sometimes drinking water solutions ARE expensive and the SCWA does what is necessary and ALL ratepayers must share the burden. When unnecessary restraints are imposed on the SCWA operations, expensive alternative solutions must be found. However, in accordance with current policy, the SCWA will not require all ratepayers to pay the price. The burdens will have to be shouldered by the customers in the effected Northport area only, because the SCWA exists only through the sale of water, and water treated in such an extraordinary and unnecessary manner will be substantially more expensive.

Q. So let’s see if I have this straight:
1) The NYS DEC supports the SCWA’s application to withdraw up to 300 gallon of water per minute from the Lloyd Aquifer at its Middleville Road well field in East Northport.

2) The SCWA needs this small amount of water to blend with water from its Magothy wells at this site to reduce the level of nitrates entering the public water supply.

3) Blending of water to reduce nitrate levels is a common practice and is the recommended way to reduce nitrates in the water supply.

4) The SCWA has explored other alternatives including the construction of nitrate removal plants and aqueducts and has determined that these are not cost-effective alternatives and present environmental and safety issues themselves.

5) The USGS and SCWA scientific studies have determined that there will be no impact to the Lloyd Aquifer other than normal draw down seen at any well site.

6) If this well is not put into use, the water that would be withdrawn is just going to flow out into the Long Island Sound anyway.

7) Withdrawing this water will not pollute the aquifer with saltwater.

8) The proposed Middleville well into the Lloyd Aquifer will have no impact on Nassau County and is over nine miles from the Nassau County border.

9) If the SCWA is denied this application, we will have no alternative but to either construct water mains and/or nitrate removal plants and pass these extraordinary costs along to the customers in the immediate area through increased water rates in the form of a surcharge.

As it turns out, ultimately NYS DEC disagreed with the above SCWA version of the “FACTS”
SEE *•* www.dec.ny.gov/hearings/39263.html

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